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6Stang99
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 Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: My 2v Rebuild Thread for asking questions |
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Figured I'd start this thread now since I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions over the period of this project. Just hope it doesn't take too long.
To start it off, I was looking on eBay for a new 98 GT w/Manual Trans ECU, and I found one for a 96 Manual GT. Can I use any Manual Trans ECU from 96-04 since they were all 4.6L 2V's? Or should I stick with 96-98 since my engine is out of a 98 without the PI heads and intake?
And also, would it be difficult to put on the PI heads and intake off of a 99-04 GT, or do they just swap right on?
And lastly, where would you guys recommend I look for the best deals on new internals? They don't have to be forged. But if I can find stronger pieces for a good price I will do that. And FYI, I'm not planning on going FI. I plan on staying all motor. In case you need to know to help point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance for any help and for putting up with the many noobish questions I'm sure I'll be asking in the future.
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6Stang99
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. I'll sit down tonight and look through them. I foresee a lot of hours looking around and studying up before this engine gets built and put in.
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| Something you need to consider when looking for computers is what fuel system your gonna run. I believe in 99 Ford changed to the returnless fuel system on the 4.6's. I don't know about the V6's. To keep costs down you may want to find out what fuel system is already on your car and go that direction. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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i just talked to a guy about some parts you may be interested. I was going to get them but i dont think so now.
PI heads and intake, Underdrive pulleys, 3.73 gears, 24 lb injectors, 155 Lph fuel pump, 4 pc clear headlights, $600. (910) 547-6315.
Its listed in the ad pak
i talked to the guy and he told me he'll go $500 though. Hes located in Leland. And ill buy the 3.73s off of ya since you just put those 3.90s in if you get it. |
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6Stang99
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Damn. Sounds like a freaking nice deal, but I probably won't start buying pieces until Feb. or March. Got some stuff to take care of and research to do before I jump into buying parts. Thanks anyway man.
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6Stang99
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| stang910 wrote: | | Something you need to consider when looking for computers is what fuel system your gonna run. I believe in 99 Ford changed to the returnless fuel system on the 4.6's. I don't know about the V6's. To keep costs down you may want to find out what fuel system is already on your car and go that direction. |
I just checked my Chilton manual, and it says 1998 and later Mustangs have the returnless fuel system. So I guess I'll go with a 98 GT ECU and my fuel system should work fine. Maybe a bigger fuel pump and injectors and it should work. Right?
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The 99 and up fuel pumps work on a volt increase from the ECU...
If you need more fuel it will increase the voltage...
This is for the return less systems...
On the return systems(98 and older) you can use the older 5.0 style pumps...
If you use the return style pumps in a newer system it will eventually burn it up...
Seance they are not designed to handle the increase in Voltage...
Install injectors/Mass Air according to how much hp you need to support...
Max output (SHM Max Performance)
19lb 304hp
24lb 384hp
39lb 624hp
42lb 672hp
83lb 1328hp
Holley 255-lb in tank fuel pump will probably work for you...
I built a 396 stroker that is running in the 10's with this pump with no problems...(90 fox Coupe)
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6Stang99
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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So I should get a 99 or up ecu to work with the existing fuel system?
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| 6Stang99 wrote: | | So I should get a 99 or up ecu to work with the existing fuel system? |
I would man. Mid-98 Ford changed to the returnless style. So it's half and half for that year. So it might be a little hit and miss with that. Like in 95 when half the cars had 5.0 and the other had 4.6s. Then again, it's pretty easy to change a returnless style system to a return style in a tune...just an idea. That's my plan at least.
You should check MPS Auto Salvage for all the little parts you're gonna need for the swap. I'd hit up Holcomb for some internals if you're looking to beef them up a little.
Another note, the 2Vs have 2 different front covers. I do not know when they switched those over though. Maybe when they did the PI swap? Not for sure though. Something else I would research if I were you. |
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Thanks Scott. So I'll look for a 99+ ecu then. And I have most of the parts here in this parts car sitting in my lawn. But they're either in the trunk of the car or in my garage. I don't think building the engine is gonna be my problem anymore. I thik it's gonna be piecing together all of the hoses, wires, small pipes and tubes, etc. Who wants to help with that puzzle when the engine's built and it's time to install. LMAO. Because I'm gonna need it.
The engine is almost completely torn down right now, and I'm open to suggestions for machine shops to get it cleaned up like new. Need to start getting some price qoutes. Wayne gave me two, but I can't remember what they were called.
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I'd enlist someone with a somewhat stock 2V so you'll have an example to look at. I'm afraid mine wouldn't be very good for that since I have dedicated vacuum lines for everything that requires it.
I'll help with the wrenching though! |
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Hell yeah, whenever it comes down to actually doing it whoever feels like hanging out and helping I'd greatly appreciate it. Might even have a case of beer on hand. Nothing crazy though because I don't want my car to blow up when we go to start it. LoL. So who's got a pretty much stock 2v that wants to swing by during this whenever it happens?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| If your car has a returnless fuel system then get the 99-up cpu. Unless you want to spend the money to convert your car to a returnless system. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| 6Stang99 wrote: | Thanks Scott. So I'll look for a 99+ ecu then. And I have most of the parts here in this parts car sitting in my lawn. But they're either in the trunk of the car or in my garage. I don't think building the engine is gonna be my problem anymore. I thik it's gonna be piecing together all of the hoses, wires, small pipes and tubes, etc. Who wants to help with that puzzle when the engine's built and it's time to install. LMAO. Because I'm gonna need it.
The engine is almost completely torn down right now, and I'm open to suggestions for machine shops to get it cleaned up like new. Need to start getting some price qoutes. Wayne gave me two, but I can't remember what they were called. |
I thought the place out past the track was right on average for machine shop work. it is their assembly charge that is crazy. They have helped out a buddy before with a couple small pieces he needed for no charge and gave me some advice on a 351W I was getting rid of, even when that advice meant no business for them.
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